Partner: Carl Seitz
Relationship: Great Great Grandfather Military: 1859 Elmshorn Holstein 1 (see note 1) Father: Mother:
Partner: Anna Scharmer died at age: 40 Not married: 1859 1 (see note 2)
Relationship: Great Great Grandmother Born: 9 Nov 1834 in Bauerweg Sandberge Germany 1,2 Died: 17 Dec 1874 in Werkhaus (Workhouse) Elmshorn Holstein Germany 2 Buried: 20 Dec 1874 in Elmshorn Schleswig-Holstein 2 Father: Johann Scharmer (1795 - 1847) Mother: Anna Peters (1798 - 1865) Other spouse 2
M Child 1: Johann Jochim Seitz 1 died at age: 92
Other name: Johann Jochim Scharmer
Relationship: Great Grandfather
Born: 19 Oct 1859 in Elmshorn Schleswig-Holstein 1 (see note 3)
Christened: 13 Nov 1859 in Elmshorn Schleswig-Holstein 1
Resided: 1859 - 1875 in Elmshorn Schleswig-Holstein 3,1
Emigrated: 27 Sep 1876 from Hamburg Germany on the "Herschel" 3,4
Resided: 1877 - 1879 in South Australia 3,4
Resided: 3 Mar 1883 in District of Concord Sydney NSW 5
Occupation: 1883 Labourer 5
Resided: 13 Jul 1883 in Burwood Sydney NSW 6
Occupation: 13 Jul 1883 Labourer 6
Resided: 16 Oct 1884 in Concord Road Concord Sydney NSW 7
Resided: 1886 in Concord Sydney NSW 8
Occupation: 1886 Labourer 8
Resided: 1889 in Wellbank Road Concord Sydney NSW 9
Resided: 1890 in Mortlake Street Concord Sydney NSW 10,11
Occupation: 1890 Gas Stoker 10 (see note 4)
Resided: 1891 in Mortlake Street Concord Sydney NSW 12 (see note 5)
Resided: 1892 in Concord Sydney NSW 13
Occupation: 1892 Labourer 13
Resided: 26 Oct 1894 in Concord Road Concord Sydney NSW 14
Occupation: 1894 Labourer 14
Resided: 1 Feb 1896 in Concord Road Concord Sydney NSW 15
Occupation: 1896 Labourer 15
Resided: 1901 in 14 Wentworth Street Sydney NSW 16
Occupation: 1901 Coal Lumper 16
Resided: 1904 in 34 Bettington Street Millers Point Sydney NSW 17
Resided: 17 Jun 1904 in 34 Bettington Street Millers Point Sydney NSW 18
Naturalized: 18 Jun 1904 in Sydney NSW 19
Occupation: 1904 Coal Lumper 19
Resided: 1905 in 34 Bettington Street Millers Point Sydney NSW 20
Resided: 1906 in 34 Bettington Street Millers Point Sydney NSW 21
Resided: 1906 in 43 Merriman Street Millers Point Sydney NSW 22
Occupation: 1906 Coal Lumper 22
Resided: 1907 in 20 Bettington Street Millers Point Sydney NSW 23
Occupation: 1907 Coal Lumper 24
Resided: 22 Dec 1908 in 49 Windmill Street Millers Point Sydney NSW 25
Resided: 1918 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 26
Resided: 1919 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 27
Resided: 1920 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 28
Resided: 1921 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 29
Resided: 1922 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 30
Resided: 1923 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 31
Resided: 1924 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 32
Resided: 1925 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 33
Resided: 1926 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 34
Resided: 1927 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 35
Resided: 1928 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 36
Resided: 1929 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 37
Resided: 1930 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 38
Resided: 1930 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 39
Occupation: 1930 Labourer 39
Resided: 1933 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 40
Occupation: 1933 Labourer 40
Resided: 1936 in Wellington Road Lindfield Sydney NSW 41
Occupation: 1936 Labourer 41
Resided: 1943 in Windsor Road Padstow Sydney NSW 42
Occupation: 1943 Labourer 42
Resided: 1949 in Windsor Road Padstow Sydney NSW 43
Occupation: 1949 Labourer 43
Resided: 20 Jul 1952 in 4 Windsor Road Padstow Sydney NSW 44
Died: 20 Jul 1952 in 4 Windsor Road Padstow Sydney NSW 44
Cause of death: 20 Jul 1952 Myocardial Failure / Chronic Myocarditis / Senility 44
Cremated: 22 Jul 1952 in Crematorium: Rookwood Sydney NSW 44
Buried: 1952 in Cemetery: Macquarie Park - Catholic Section A5 Grave 3 - North Ryde Sydney NSW 45 (see note 6)
Wife: Lucy Amelia Abbott b. 23 Sep 1859 d. 20 Jul 1936
Married: 3 Mar 1883 in District Registrars Office Burwood Sydney NSW 5
Notes
Sources: (1) EV.-KUTH. Kirchenkreis Rantzau Elmshorn Germany, Baptism Certificate - Joahann Joachim Scharmer / Seitz (61/1859). Researched by Robert Sykes, Moruya NSW. (Copy on File) (2) Hans-Joachim Kammradt, Kirchenkreisarchivar Ev-Luth. Kirchenkreis Rantzau Elmshorn Germany, Family Tree - SCHARMER Anna - researched by Robert Sykes (2002). Information researched and sourced by Robert Sykes Moruya NSW, (Copy on File) (3) Commonwealth of Australia, Certificate - Application for Natualization - John Joachim Seitz (13 Jun 1904). (Copy on File) (4) Compiled by Eric and Rosemary Kopittke, Immigration Documents - Emigrants from Hamburg to Australia : 1876, Qld FHS Inc. (1876). Source researched by Robert Sykes, Moruya NSW [On File] (5) NSW Govt, Marriage Certificate Johann Jochim Seitz to Lucy Amelia Abbott (23/1883). (Copy on File) (6) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate - Ada Lousia Sitz (5075/1883). Informant: John Sitz, Father, of Burwood. Surname spelt "Sitz" and Ada's mothers name is noted as being Louisa. (Copy on File) (7) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate Alfred John Seitz/John Alfred Sykes (5882/1884). There are dual registrations for Alfred, Alfred John Seitz and John Alfred Sykes, from what documents are available it appears he used the name John Alfred Sykes up until his death when he was interred as John Alfred Seitz. (Copy on File) (8) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate Annie Elizabeth Syitz (5628/1886). Informant: John Syitz, Father, of Concord. Surname is spelt "Syitz" and Annie's mothers name is noted as Anna Scharmer who in fact was her grandmother. Witness is also noted as Mrs Scharmer. (Copy on File) (9) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1889 (1889). (Copy on File) (10) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate - William Frederick Sykes (9224/1890). Informant: Lucy Amelia Sykes, Mother, of Mortlake. Surname appears as "SYKES". Williams name appears as William Frederick on his Birth Certificate. (Copy on File) (11) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1890 (1890). (Copy on File) (12) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1891 (1891). (Copy on File) (13) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate Polly Seitz (9530/1892). Informant: John Seitz, Father, of Concord. (Copy on File) (14) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate Thomas J Sitz (9104/1894). Informant: Lucy A Sitz, mother, of Concord. The surname has been registered as SITZ in the NSW BDM register. The birth certificate was amended on the 20 September 1954 to the surname SYKES. (Copy on File) (15) NSW Govt, Birth Certifcate William Henry Sitz (2047/1897). Informant: Lucy Sitz, Mother, of Concord Road Concord. Surname is spelt "Sitz". (Copy on File) (16) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate Francis James Seitz (18989/1901). Informant: John Seitz, Father, of 14 Wentworth Street. Surname appears as "Seitz"on birth certificate but as SRITZ on the NSW Online BDM Register. (Copy on File) (17) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1904 (1904). (Copy on File) (18) NSW Govt., Statutory Declaration for Application for Naturalization (17 June 1904). (on file) (19) Commonwealth of Australia, Naturalization Certificate - Johann Joachim Seitz (1904). (Copy on File) (20) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1905 (1905). (Copy on File) (21) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1906 (1906). (Copy on File) (22) NSW Govt, Birth Certificate Richard Concord Seitz (261/1906). Informant: J J Seitz, Father, of 43 Merriman Street. (Copy on File) (23) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1907 (1907). (Copy on File) (24) NSW Govt, Marriage Certificate John A Sykes to Gertrude E Luck (1324/1907). Johns father, Johann J Seitz used the name John Henry Sykes on this marriage certificate. (Copy on File) (25) The Sydney Morning Herald - 22 Dec 1908 - Page 12, Newspaper - Funeral Notice - Elizabeth Kyneur (nee Seitz) (22 Dec 1908). (Copy on File) (26) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1918 (1918). (Copy on File) (27) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1919 (1919). (Copy on File) (28) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1920 (1920). (Copy on File) (29) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1921 (1921). (Copy on File) (30) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1922 (1922). (Copy on File) (31) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1923 (1923). (Copy on File) (32) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1924 (1924). (Copy on File) (33) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1925 (1925). (Copy on File) (34) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1926 (1926). (Copy on File) (35) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1927 (1927). (Copy on File) (36) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1928 (1928). (Copy on File) (37) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1929 (1929). (Copy on File) (38) Directory, Sands Sydney Alphabetical 1930 (1930). (Copy on File) (39) Australian Govt, Electoral Roll - C'Wealth: North Sydney - State: Gordon - Sub Div: Roseville (1930 - Page 74). (Copy on File) (40) Australian Govt, Electoral Roll - C'Wealth: North Sydney - State: Gordon - Sub Div: Roseville (1933 - Page 80). (Copy on File) (41) Australian Govt, Electoral Roll - C'Wealth: Parramatta - State: Gordon - Sub Div: Gordon (1936 - Page 132). (Copy on File) (42) Australian Govt, Electoral Roll - C'Wealth: Reid - State: Bankstown - Sub Div: Bankstown (1943 - Page 121). (Copy on File) (43) Australian Govt, Electoral Roll - C'Wealth: Banks - State: Bankstown - Sub Div: East Hills (1949 - Page 120). (Copy on File) (44) NSW Govt., Death Certificate - John Jochim Seitz (195/1952). Informant: H O Springfield, grandson, of 4 Windsor Road Padstow. (Copy on File) (45) T.H. Tyrrell Pty Ltd, Letter - Inscriptions to Seitz Memorial (13 Nov 1964). (Copy on File) Event Notes Note (1) Carl was noted as being a Soldier posted in Hamburg in 1859 on his sons baptism certificate Note (2) Relationship only thru an indecent act... it might be that Johann was born as the result of an indecent act. Note (3) Son Johann J. Seitz born to Anna and Carl Seitz - 16 September 1859 in Elmshorn Germany. Note: On Johann's baptism certificate under the heading of "Surname of Child", the childs name appears as "Scharmer unehelich Spurius Seitz" which when translates roughly says " Scharmer illegitimate with no legal right to the name Seitz" this indicates that Johann was born illegitimate and had no legal right to the name of the father, instead he should have adopted the maiden surname of his mother, not knowing the legalities and law of the day in 1850's Germany I can only surmise that if born illegitimately the child should adopt the surname of the mother. Remarks on the certificate from the Baptism Register states "1. Confined (?) By her mother, the widow Scharmer Loc Stuprationes: Hamburg. 2. Sexual Offence." The full meaning of the comment "2. Sexual Offence" can only be SPECULATED on (I say speculated as there is no evidence to support what took place). It may indicate that a sexual offence (rape) took place which lead to the birth of Johann. Anna never married the father Carl Seitz, but it does appear that Anna did marry a Johann Thee on the 10 Apr 1859. Johann Thee appears as a godfather for Johann J. Seitz on the Baptism Certificate. Note (4) This occupation was employed to stoke the coal fires at a Gas Works, in this case Johann was employed at the Mortlake Gas Works on the Parramatta River Sydney NSW. This employment may have bought Johann into contact with the Coal Lumpers who were employed to load and off load the coal at the Gas Works and may have enticed him to change his employment and move to Millers Point Sydney NSW. Note (5) At the time of the 1891 Census there were five related families residing in Concord Rd Concord. The 1891 Census District 96/A for household #108 noted John Seitz as being the head of the family with 3 males and 4 females, Household #107 was William Abbott and his family of 1 male and 3 females, and in Household #109 was Richard Morgan and his family - 3 males and 6 females. Joseph Morgan and his family - 6 males and 6 females, Frederick Morgan's family - 4 males and 2 females also appear in the Census. (Source is an Email from Clare Stapleton Concord). Note (6) Northen Suburbs Cemetery is now called Macquaire Park Cemetery and Crematorium Headstone Inscription - In Loving Memory of Our Dear Mother Lucy Amelia beloved wife of John Seitz 20-7-1936 aged 78 and her beloved husband John Joachim Seitz died 20 July 1952 aged 97. John Alfred Seitz died 6 May 1958 aged 73. Beloved son of Lucy and John Joachim. 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